The Midwest Independent Declairation: A subDAO for those who have been forgotten

A tough day, right?

Actually, it was a tough month, for most crypto guys, especially for those $LDO holders.

A couple of months ago, I put my $LDO on Balancer as LP( LDO-WETH pool with 80:20 weight) with a 30~40% APY. At that time, the yield could easily cover my life living costs. This made me quite confident to take a gap and stay with my family. Things change fast. In two months, my LP value dropped 90% and the yield dropped 70% due to the reward token( $BAL) prices down and the pools rewards ratio competition.

In the past couple of weeks, I tried to convince the key influencers in the community to support a proposal that can bring some benefits, or even just hope to those who have trusted this project by framing or buying $LDO, like me. I have to say, it is not an easy way. It’s a bit tricky that the DAO treasury management does not have any interest in supporting the value of $LDO, which is still the largest part of its own assets. So, I think it’s time to organize and save us by ourselves.

I know that I’m not alone. Based on my research, there are about 2650 $LDO holders with a 1K~1M balance.

So, if you have the same views as me, that:

  • Still have faith in the future of Lido, have the willingness to keep most of your $LDO position during the bear market and do have the demand of yield generation on your holdings.

  • Still have some bullets to shoot and can take a little bit of risks.

Then, I recommend that:

  1. Invest your $LDO in the Balancer LDO-ETH pool and that will let you keep 80% of your $LDO position( the rest will swap to WETH automatically).

  2. Invest your $ETH in the Balancer BAL-ETH pool and lock for 1 year ( via Balancer Vault or related bribe protocol, like Aura).

  3. Place your vote on the LDO-ETH pool to increase the allocation ratio toward LDO-ETH LP staker( there is a follow step after providing liquidity, stake your lp token without a lock up).

These recommendations and initiatives are just a beginning. More actions could be taken place based on the similar values and interest among us. We can have more frequent internal discussions and stand as a whole. We can make a small voice be heard. We can have an influence on future DAO governance. We can even issue a small fund and have our own subDAO governance structures.

Let me place a poll here and let me know your views on this subDAO initiative.

  • Yes, I’m in.
  • Interesting! Maybe I will join you in the future.
  • Is this a joke? Where is my popcorn?
  • It’s bullshit, I don’t believe you can make any changes!

0 voters


To be more clear, this initiative is not targeted to stand on the opposite of any group of stakeholders in the community. Our goal is just to build a diverse DAO ecosystem, focus on a group of holders’ interests.

The following plans are:

Phase 0: Temperature check. (Present to the end of June. 2022)
In this phase, let’s look over whether the more boardly community members have a strong willingness to build a subDAO as the framework I mentioned above. During this period of time, I’d like to discuss with everyone who has any questions on this initiative. By the end of June, if there will be more than 10 “Yes, I’m in.” supporters, or more than 5 “Yes, I’m in.” supporters who hold more than 100K $LDO (including me), we will go to “Phase 1”.

Phase 1: Rules and Guidelines draft and v1.0 finialized. (1st. July 2022 ~ 15th. July 2022)
In this phase, we will establish an internal workgroup on TG. Make close discussions on the details of the rules and plans for the future.

Phase 2: SubDAO establishes announcement and boost actions started. ( Since 16th. July 2022)
In this phase, the subDAO will give birth and start running. We will post our plans and statistics during the action processes to make it transparency among the subDAO, and more broadly, among the whole Lido community.


Hey-hey, thank you for the proposal! Seems like a neat way to organise here.
Couple short-ish notes:

  1. Need to check out Aura; for reWARDS we’ve been using HiddenHand Hidden Hand
  2. Investing ETH along with LDOs and BAL may make more sense, but that’s technicality here
  3. Please-please-please, make sure to delegate your LDO tokens on snapshot so that you don’t loose your voting power while LPing: Delegation - snapshot

Noted, thanks. I will set a delegation after with at least 1M $LDO in my bag.

About Aura, it was founded by one of our strategic investors, 0xMaki. It has integrated with Balancer and will be established soon.

Here are some details about the benefits and risks of the behavior of the initiative.


  • Cash flow might be a deep demand among most $LDO holders. Provide liquidity on Balancer LDO-ETH pool will allow you to make about 2% monthly return paid in $BAL. $BAL has a healthy tokenomics since they adopted veBAL model on April 7th 2022. IMO, $BAL is one of the most undervalued tokens, especially after the past weeks market collapse.

  • Invest in the BAL-ETH pool and lock up for veBAL will allow you to share 75% of the admin fees collected by the protocol, along with other veBAL holders. As I have noted in another post, this will give you a 12.5% APR, based on the current and near past conditions. In addition, your veBAL will boost your LDO-ETH $BAL return with up to 2.5X power.

  • Although I prefer you join this action by directly locking up your BAL-ETH lp token on Balancer and vote for LDO-ETH pool, there still have other options(bribe protocol, like Hidden Hand, Aura etc.). These bribe protocols may also bring you addition return.


  • Price volatility. No matter how optimistic I am on the future of $BAL, there will always be a price valuation risk. Never take the risks more than you can afford.

  • Impermanent losses. Provide liquidity on Dex will always face the risk of impermanent losses. Although there two pools are all functioned with an 80:20 weight mechanism, which could reduce the impermanent losses by 60%, compared to a normal 50:50 pool, the risk is still there.

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Here are 21 respectful community members, who have voted for the LDO-WETH gauge pool on Balancer.

They did it for their own interests for sure, but also gave all $LDO holders a further option to hold their $LDO bags with a reasonable return, even without any support from the DAO treasury.

They have slowed that the community should, would, could be self organised based on the common interests and values. That’s the cornerstone of this initiative.


Only 3 days left before we go to ‘Phase 1’. Here is a ‘Genesis Group’ invitation. Anyone among the Lido DAO has the right to join the ‘Genesis Group’ by filling the google forms.

Here is the draft version of Midwest guided rules:

  1. Never take a penny from DAO treasury. You can’t call yourself ‘independent’ unless you are economically independent.

  2. Prevent every penny in the DAO treasury from being wasted, especially before the treasury income could fully cover all the costs. Remember the $20mm UNI education grant?

  3. Fight under the rules. No trash talk, no personal attack. The fact is more powerful than emotional words.

  4. Treated each other equally and friendly, no matter what role he/she takes, no matter what power he/she has.

  5. Respect expertise. Everyone has his/her strength and advantage. Show respect to others’ expertise.

… to be drafted.


There are some community members who submitted the invitation form till now. For more broadly adoption of this subDAO, the expiration of Phase 0 will be postponed for a week(will be ended on 7th July), which means anyone who would like to join our Genesis Group, you still have the chance to do so via the link.


  1. subDAO rebranding
    During these days, internal communication with some of the community members shows that the name of this subDAO might be a little negative and self-pity. That’s true. The name - ‘Midwest’ came out of my mind when I was quite upset about the lack of intention and engagement of mediocre $LDO holders participation in the DAO governance. I thought nothing had changed after leaving the forum a year ago. But in fact, something has changed.
    So, I would like to rebrand the name of this subDAO. I prefer ‘Night’s Watch’ as the new name. Winter is coming, we are the protectors of the DAO treasury.
    This is a draft, not the final. Kindly post your reference name here and we will make the final decision in the Genesis Group.

  2. Specialist groups inside the subDAO
    There will be three special groups in this subDAO:

  • Research & Proposal Group. This group will be responsible for finding out the vulnerable of DAO treasury expenses and establishing proposals.
  • Investing Group. This group will work on finding out the yield generation opportunities for $LDO holders.
  • Communication Engagement Group. This group will take the role of engaging interconnection among all mediocre $LDO holders. Gathering the demands and willingness among the sudDAO and making effective communication with ‘research & proposal group’, as well as with the ‘investing group’.